-Examples of badly behaving sites are [[http://www.imdb.com | IMDB]] and
-[[http://flickr.com | Flickr]].
+Examples of such badly behaving sites are [[http://www.imdb.com | IMDB]] and
+[[http://flickr.com | Flickr]]: both have been created by us, but try downloading
+substantial portions of their data, if you can. On the other end of the spectrum,
+the [[http://wikipedia.org | Wikipedia]] provides an interface to dump the
+entire database, including the history of edits. This is what we should demand
+from any online resource built collaboratively.